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welcome to shattered reality with your

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hosts Kate Valentine and Persia prepare

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to have your paradigm shifted into

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truths questioned and now shattered

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reality hi welcome to another episode of

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shattered reality I am Kate Valentine

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and I am for Russia and today we have

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our 15th our 15th podcast and we are so

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pleased to welcome onto this podcast

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Paul H Smith who is a professional of

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viewing he became a psychic spy in 1983

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when he was recruited for the Army's

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remote viewing psychic espionage program

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a program he never even knew existed

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up until the moment he was invited to

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join even though he was like living next

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door to skip Atwater

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he was one of the longest-serving remote

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viewers in the military program during

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his seven years in that program he

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studied under the legendary how put off

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and Ingo Swann he served as a first-line

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operational remote viewer doing

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thousands of trainings and live

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operational RV's sessions he wrote the

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official manual on controlled room you

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remote viewing and he taught crv to new

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students are included the now famous

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Reilly and David Morehouse I studied

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with David Morehouse briefly Paul has

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briefed and demonstrated remote viewing

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to senators and admirals and generals

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and other senior military and government

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officials a Desert Storm veteran Paul

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from his final duty position chief of

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Military District of Washington for

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three decades now he has immersed

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himself in consciousness-based skills he

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has dedicated his life to changing

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society's attitudes towards applied

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president and chief instructor of his

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own commercial full-service remote

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viewing training company remote viewing

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instructional Services Incorporated and

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is a founding director of the nonprofit

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international remote viewing Association

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which I Ferruccio belong to and of which

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he is past president he has chaired and

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organized seven of her VA's annual

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remote viewing conferences since the

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organization's founding in 1999 he has a

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wonderful book reading the enemy's mind

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inside stargate america's psychic

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espionage program which was published by

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tor forge in 2005 and was a Reader's

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choice selection Paul's new book I want

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a copy of this book even though it's not

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out yet the essential guide to remote

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viewing will be released this summer

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he is also co-producer of the acclaimed

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DVD based learn dowsing training program

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and of the forthcoming remote perception

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basic operational training course to be

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published July 14 2015

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that's only a few days from now Paul

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that's right

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just to finish up here he has a BA from

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Brigham Young University an MS from the

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national intelligence university both in

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Middle Eastern Studies and a PhD in

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philosophy from the University of Texas

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at Austin

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so dr. Paul we're gonna leave it at that

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we could go on forever with with Wow

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okay so just get our viewers up to speed

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I had the pleasure of going down to New

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convention the International remote

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viewers Association convention and I had

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the pleasure of meeting you and there

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were a lot of really interesting remote

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viewers there but what drew me to

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speaking to you particularly today other

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than the fact that I won your new book

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which I'm thrilled about what what

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brought me to want to speak to you was

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the fact that I got your targets the

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targets for the ideograms and the target

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that you you that you put up for us that

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you were tasking us with there I got

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hits on all of them whereas you know

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my idea that when you have a good

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relationship to your tasker when you

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have a an easy and easy time of it

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Purusha and I were speaking and remote

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viewing is really not anything I'm

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totally familiar with and although a lot

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of our audience would have heard of it I

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was surprised I said to her well can you

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just sit there and think of something

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and view it like for example Lake George

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now that's that's not remote viewing

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that sort of clairvoyance so from she

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of a targeted viewing and I didn't I

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didn't get that before so your purpose

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would be to enhance people's abilities

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to do that and in their training in your

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books is is that correct yes that's

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exactly right

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of remote viewing is the most

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mechanic of all psychic skills okay

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because the research basically shows

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that everybody can do it to one degree

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or another it's not you know you're used

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to this thing where it's like you can

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say well you have to have this gift

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before you can be psychic right right

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evidence from what Jung shows it's not

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true it turns out this is a native

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normal human skill it just doesn't get

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exercised because nobody knows they can

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international their findings were that

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just about everybody has the capacity so

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that kind of a scientific package you

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what the target is mm-hmm so and in fact

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voice that's a word okay trying to be

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clear voice up front right then

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everything you can imagine or conjecture

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everybody has the ability but so and you

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like to practice so I will try and avoid

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debt for your audience's benefit okay

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but yeah but yeah they're coming and I

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teach them you know what what we learned

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other folks including skip out water at

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Fort Meade in the military program so

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a natural at it and and then he realized

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how the people had the ability as well

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believe it's possible because I've said

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that before on the show but I have to

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reiterate that right now okay well that

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helps but you know what they were

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actually able to get psych skeptics to

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absolutely convinced against it you just

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important but is there any do they use

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wondering what you are able to target

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things and it isn't to a finding thing

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somebody asked the remote viewer to view

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where Osama bin Laden is and and what

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would happen something like this or what

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you would say oh yeah there's this guy

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the walls are rocking there's carpeted

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the light and you're a bunch of barren

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mountains right so the analyst is gonna

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say oh yeah that's exactly right that's

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exactly right now where is he and the

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remote you're gonna say you idiot I just

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told you where he was he's in this long

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rocky we'll hold room right so the

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remote viewers found him but hasn't

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located him locational thinks you can do

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someone I didn't recognizing it right we

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past that you don't have enough

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do help out police with it we recently

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former sister-in-law of mine and now is

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still Protege Angela Thompson Smith

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and the information was used in court

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and the murderer was convicted the

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remote viewing the detective that was

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involved the remote viewing was directly

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responsible for the guy being caught

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that that is excellent we did have

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Angela on about two months ago I think

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and she was a wonderful guest as well

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and now I must say that part of the

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mystery of why there are so many Smith's

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at remote viewing it's Nancy Smith and

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you and Angela Thompson Smith and I

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begin to think that everybody's name was

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going to be Smith well my dad used to

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say that everyone

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named Smith totally did something wrong

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oh well that makes me wonder what

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Ferruccio did wrong Wow the other

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question I asked you know obviously

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you're seeing something but could you do

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you ever hear anything is it also you do

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that's yes we're remote viewing is

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different than clairvoyance and really

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shouldn't ought to be called remote

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viewing it should have been called

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remote perception which is why this DVD

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home training program that I

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collaborated on it's called remote

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perception because that's what it should

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have been called Ingo Swann is the one

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that named it way back in 1971 long for

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you know well at least a year or more

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before the government got involved but

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he he he relied on the visual aspect of

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it mostly and so he called it our more

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viewing but in fact you get all of the

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five senses involved in fact even some

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of the other subliminal senses as well

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get getting involved in this process and

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so you can hear smell taste touch and

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see things as well sometimes it's

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actually quite vivid not it's never of

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course quite the same as actually seeing

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it or hearing it or smelling it in

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person right but sometimes it's quite

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pronounced although other times it can

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be very subtle and part of the trick is

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to learn how to recognize the subtle

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input as much as the I I have a question

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about that it seems that I often get

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songs while I'm remote viewing well it's

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it's it's completely crazy even me when

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you did the talk you did about idea

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grams which we don't have to get into

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here as you know because that's going

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into it a little probably too much depth

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down of the weeds too much yeah when it

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you know it was the sailing when it was

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the picture of the great lake or

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something like that that came up on the

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on the screen when when it was revealed

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you know I had been singing the song

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sailing in my mind sailing away it's

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like a you know a soft rock song

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I don't sing so

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I'm not going to regale you with the

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sound buddy but also when I had

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remote-view day an earthquake some years

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ago I kept getting the the Johnny Cash

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song the Ring of Fire and and it's

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always the songs that I get and I'm not

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a musical person the songs that I get

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are generally really accurate and and I

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wondered if anybody else had that well

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um I you know I can't say who all me we

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had that kind of experience but it kind

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of makes sense in that you're not

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consciously paying attention at the time

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to the signal right grant alright and so

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your subconscious is trying to figure

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out a way to convey that to you and so

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it says I know I'm gonna have them sing

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Johanna ever singing Johnny Cash and

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maybe she'll get the hint you know it's

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interesting because that almost gives

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you like okay expressed it's like two

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brains like you know your conscious

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driving and they're going to work

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whatever and then your subconscious is

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rolling along striding to wake you up

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and saying you know there's gonna be an

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earthquake and right let's sing Ring of

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Fire maybe that'll give her an idea oh

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that's really fascinating Paul so you

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think that the underlying consciousness

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really can sort of burble up to the

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surface a bit sure I mean it does it all

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the time in just everyday life

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uh-huh I mean that that's half of what

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Freud talked about was the fact that the

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unti call it the unconscious I don't

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know that there's a distinction really

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between subconscious and unconscious but

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because the unconscious actually caused

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us to think and do all kinds of things

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in in our waking life that we thought we

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were just thinking of right then but it

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actually is traceable to the unconscious

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and trauma in the past and all that kind

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of Freudian stuff so and in fact a lot

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of the psychology research and with what

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used to be called subliminal perception

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is now called priming and perception

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without awareness that kind of thing all

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that research really does suggest that

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there's a lot going on in subconscious

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level that we are almost bliss

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unaware of in our normal waking state so

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you know that's just a very interesting

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sort you know I guess I've been aware of

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the concept and I never had it put quite

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like that well we all I think we all

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basically do we meet somebody and we

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immediately like them we meet somebody

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and we say mmm I think I'm going to stay

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away from that person and even if

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there's no obvious thing like they're

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not carrying a dagger that's pointed at

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you in their hand yeah it is interesting

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somebody I don't know if it was you or

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not I must say my memory fails me but

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was talking about it at the that can the

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convention the conference down in New

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Orleans

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as right brain and left brain stop yeah

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in fact there's some discussion that

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maybe you sub slash unconscious is

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really just the right brain because the

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right brain isn't verbal particularly

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the left brain that's where all of our

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most of our verbal mechanism is and our

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discussion and our talking and all of

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that kind of thing and so there's some

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suspicion that maybe the the right brain

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is where the unconscious is and and all

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of this is going on over there all the

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stuff that we're not necessarily

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and then it gets fed over through the

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corpus collosum into the left brain and

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then we you know we behave according to

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what we need to behave that are as a

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ripening dictates but that's one

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possible theory about it now if they

427
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could if if someone in the audience is

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interested in mastering this then they

429
00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:45,290
can get your DVD that would help them

430
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once it comes out or start them down the

431
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road yeah it'll part on the 14th of July

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is when we're gonna go live with it

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fest you including the website and

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everything else so if people are

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interested they could go to the website

436
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free dowsing DVD calm right that's where

437
00:20:14,300 --> 00:20:07,850
that's that's a portal to the dowsing

438
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training propane in traduction to my

439
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training program and they can go there

440
00:20:22,580 --> 00:20:19,860
and get that they can order that and

441
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then they'll get on the mailing list and

442
00:20:27,350 --> 00:20:26,040
as soon as the the remote perception

443
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course comes out then they'll be

444
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notified about it so why don't you know

445
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that address that web address it is the

446
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three WS of course www dot and then is

447
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literally the words strung together free

448
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dowsing DVD com

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so the word free fr EE thousand do W f

450
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ing DVD com

451
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now I always thought dowsing was just

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with water and a stick

453
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am I wrong I guess obviously I guess we

454
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missing we search for missing h-bombs we

455
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search for downed aircraft we search for

456
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hostages we search for for contraband

457
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narcotics on container ships we search

458
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for all kinds of things anything that

459
00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:20,730
that you we didn't know where it was but

460
00:21:24,380 --> 00:21:22,890
knew what it was that's that's a

461
00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:24,390
requirement in dowsing after know what

462
00:21:27,950 --> 00:21:26,730
it is you're looking for right anything

463
00:21:29,300 --> 00:21:27,960
we knew what it was but didn't know

464
00:21:31,190 --> 00:21:29,310
where it was we at one time or another

465
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we're probably asked to remote or well

466
00:21:35,450 --> 00:21:33,420
remove you and then dowels for using the

467
00:21:38,180 --> 00:21:35,460
dowsing as an adjunct to remote viewing

468
00:21:43,999 --> 00:21:38,190
and you use maps to do this you use

469
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dowsing okay maps diagrams globe so

470
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whatever whatever it took

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so the original water dowsers were

472
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probably just using this stick as a

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means to make them believe that they

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00:21:57,950 --> 00:21:54,960
could do that you know just like an

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00:22:01,039 --> 00:21:57,960
external talisman or whatever say yeah I

476
00:22:03,379 --> 00:22:01,049
can find water but uh but that's where

477
00:22:06,619 --> 00:22:03,389
the dowsing can so you find things with

478
00:22:08,509 --> 00:22:06,629
this that is just I really am very new

479
00:22:12,769 --> 00:22:08,519
to this so it's to me it's quite amazing

480
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:12,779
yeah it and it works I mean in fact it

481
00:22:16,759 --> 00:22:14,250
dawns on me we could probably do a whole

482
00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:16,769
other show on dowsing and I have a lot

483
00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:18,330
to say about that I don't want to you

484
00:22:23,149 --> 00:22:20,129
know take over have that take over the

485
00:22:28,159 --> 00:22:23,159
conversation but yeah a little bit about

486
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your new book well I noticed in

487
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surveying the literature the remote

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00:22:35,509 --> 00:22:31,860
viewing field but there was a big gap

489
00:22:38,869 --> 00:22:35,519
that was missing and that gap was a

490
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basic beginners book that introduces

491
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people to the entire topic of remote

492
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viewing a kind of survey of the field

493
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and and I kind of owe it to my dad

494
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because he said well you shouldn't write

495
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a pamphlet just kind of an introductory

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thing and in publish it and he told give

497
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me that I did probably 15 years ago you

498
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know and and I said oh yeah that's good

499
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idea I'll get around to it someday and I

500
00:23:02,570 --> 00:23:01,110
realized there was that huge gap it's

501
00:23:06,049 --> 00:23:02,580
still there people write their memoirs

502
00:23:08,029 --> 00:23:06,059
people write technical books on on the

503
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:08,039
technical aspects of aspects of dowsing

504
00:23:12,619 --> 00:23:09,690
but nobody's ever written a really good

505
00:23:14,180 --> 00:23:12,629
introductory book and so the essential

506
00:23:17,180 --> 00:23:14,190
guide remote viewing that's the whole

507
00:23:18,980 --> 00:23:17,190
point of the book is to introduce people

508
00:23:21,950 --> 00:23:18,990
to dowsing it actually has three

509
00:23:23,419 --> 00:23:21,960
purposes one is if you just sort about

510
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:23,429
remote viewing you don't really know

511
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:24,570
what it is you know one spend a lot of

512
00:23:28,249 --> 00:23:26,610
time and money you can get this book and

513
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:28,259
it will give you a very thorough

514
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introduction to it

515
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yeah all the different aspects of it and

516
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even teach you a little bit how to do it

517
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and you know and it gives you a starting

518
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point the other the other set of people

519
00:23:43,430 --> 00:23:41,759
who is important for it would be let's

520
00:23:44,659 --> 00:23:43,440
say you are into remote viewing and you

521
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have a bunch of family and friends who

522
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:47,970
think you're crazy you're mining you

523
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what I hear my gender and you want

524
00:23:56,290 --> 00:23:53,970
something to introduce them to it that

525
00:23:58,340 --> 00:23:56,300
isn't going to get into all the UFOs and

526
00:24:00,410 --> 00:23:58,350
Bigfoot and all that stuff that a lot of

527
00:24:02,150 --> 00:24:00,420
people want to like to connect remote

528
00:24:03,830 --> 00:24:02,160
viewing to just give them a very

529
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:03,840
sensible approach and then they can

530
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:04,890
connect it to whatever they want

531
00:24:09,860 --> 00:24:07,770
afterwards right it tries to D

532
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sensationalize it while at the same time

533
00:24:13,340 --> 00:24:11,370
giving you responsible information and

534
00:24:15,020 --> 00:24:13,350
then there's one for the demographic it

535
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:15,030
may appeal to those our folks have been

536
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:15,570
in dowsing

537
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:17,490
I'm sorry remote viewing a long time and

538
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:21,210
just don't know maybe they know a lot

539
00:24:24,260 --> 00:24:22,890
about some parts of it in other parts of

540
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:24,270
it they don't really know about and so

541
00:24:30,230 --> 00:24:26,850
so it that pretty much covers I think

542
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the entire field of reasons why people

543
00:24:34,550 --> 00:24:32,700
might want to have a beginning a kind of

544
00:24:37,490 --> 00:24:34,560
an introductory book on remote viewing

545
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:37,500
yeah I think it's important because you

546
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:39,450
know when people mentioned remote

547
00:24:43,250 --> 00:24:41,250
viewing to me I think of you know the

548
00:24:46,340 --> 00:24:43,260
infamous men stare at goats and that's

549
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:46,350
it so I think that's great that you

550
00:24:49,940 --> 00:24:48,090
wrote something like that I think you're

551
00:24:53,990 --> 00:24:49,950
quite right it is important for someone

552
00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:54,000
like my sister but I lost you there yeah

553
00:24:59,060 --> 00:24:57,690
are you there yes good you must have

554
00:25:12,620 --> 00:24:59,070
been on delay and started to say

555
00:25:15,350 --> 00:25:12,630
something bad in any case so I'm going

556
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:15,360
when I receive my want of the copy that

557
00:25:19,430 --> 00:25:17,730
I want in the raffle which I'm really

558
00:25:22,310 --> 00:25:19,440
looking for when is that coming out when

559
00:25:25,700 --> 00:25:22,320
am I gonna get my copy well hopefully

560
00:25:29,270 --> 00:25:25,710
hopefully hopefully August it's in the

561
00:25:31,130 --> 00:25:29,280
process of being types that right now is

562
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:31,140
almost done went through a final proof

563
00:25:36,290 --> 00:25:33,210
of it and I should hopefully by the end

564
00:25:38,420 --> 00:25:36,300
of the week we'll have a a final types

565
00:25:40,970 --> 00:25:38,430
that were in which then we will you know

566
00:25:42,260 --> 00:25:40,980
send off to a proofreader and once the

567
00:25:45,170 --> 00:25:42,270
proofreader stand all the things I

568
00:25:47,030 --> 00:25:45,180
missed all right then it will just be a

569
00:25:49,370 --> 00:25:47,040
matter of having it printed in ships so

570
00:25:52,460 --> 00:25:49,380
well great great I'm looking forward to

571
00:25:55,460 --> 00:25:52,470
it and I'm going to lend it to miss Kate

572
00:25:57,140 --> 00:25:55,470
Valentine so she will understand what

573
00:25:58,760 --> 00:25:57,150
I'm talking about when I talk about

574
00:26:01,220 --> 00:25:58,770
remote viewing and I think she really

575
00:26:05,750 --> 00:26:01,230
has has the gist of it at this juncture

576
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:05,760
so now

577
00:26:11,930 --> 00:26:09,330
I think one thing that people who are in

578
00:26:14,660 --> 00:26:11,940
our listening audience also don't

579
00:26:18,170 --> 00:26:14,670
understand is the different types of

580
00:26:20,660 --> 00:26:18,180
remote viewing and I've studied several

581
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:20,670
different types and as I said to you

582
00:26:27,410 --> 00:26:23,490
before I really find that my success

583
00:26:31,580 --> 00:26:27,420
depends on my rapport with the the

584
00:26:34,670 --> 00:26:31,590
Tasker and not whether it's a RV or CRV

585
00:26:36,590 --> 00:26:34,680
but maybe you would like to explain some

586
00:26:38,660 --> 00:26:36,600
of the different types of remote viewing

587
00:26:41,810 --> 00:26:38,670
that are out there and and the reason

588
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:41,820
for all of them including I've mentioned

589
00:26:46,970 --> 00:26:44,610
some sometimes on the air about how the

590
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:46,980
Hawaiian remote the Hawaii remote

591
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:49,490
viewers do it which is really very

592
00:26:58,370 --> 00:26:56,490
painstakingly protocol yep so and that's

593
00:26:59,600 --> 00:26:58,380
actually one of the virtues of the book

594
00:27:02,240 --> 00:26:59,610
we were just talking about is I have a

595
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:02,250
whole chapter on methods I'd explain the

596
00:27:05,990 --> 00:27:04,170
different ways of doing things but but

597
00:27:12,230 --> 00:27:06,000
just for now since the book isn't

598
00:27:13,850 --> 00:27:12,240
available yet so CRV instance for

599
00:27:16,430 --> 00:27:13,860
controlled remote viewing and it was a

600
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:16,440
more disciplined approach to it that

601
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:18,330
Ingo Swann and helped put off develop to

602
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:20,730
help people well is actually developed

603
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:23,010
so that they would have a a vehicle to

604
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:26,690
transmit remote viewing capability to

605
00:27:31,940 --> 00:27:29,730
military personnel who might not have

606
00:27:35,330 --> 00:27:31,950
had a thought they had a side load on

607
00:27:37,250 --> 00:27:35,340
their bodies right and so that's why I

608
00:27:39,140 --> 00:27:37,260
learned it as they brought me in I had

609
00:27:41,660 --> 00:27:39,150
never had any kind of psychic experience

610
00:27:43,730 --> 00:27:41,670
whatsoever and they said well we have

611
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:43,740
this contract with s RI and they're

612
00:27:50,870 --> 00:27:45,570
going to teach you how to be a psychic I

613
00:27:52,970 --> 00:27:50,880
said okay that sounds good and and

614
00:27:54,770 --> 00:27:52,980
that's the point of CRV it's very it's

615
00:27:57,530 --> 00:27:54,780
quite structured and it's probably the

616
00:27:59,510 --> 00:27:57,540
grandfather of almost I would say

617
00:28:01,850 --> 00:27:59,520
probably 90% of the people doing remote

618
00:28:04,730 --> 00:28:01,860
viewing out there their methodology is

619
00:28:08,570 --> 00:28:04,740
either CRV or some some descendants of

620
00:28:10,250 --> 00:28:08,580
CRV arv actually interestingly enough

621
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:10,260
that sensor associative remote viewing

622
00:28:17,030 --> 00:28:14,850
that doesn't actually involve a method

623
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:17,040
of remote viewing itself what it has to

624
00:28:23,420 --> 00:28:19,410
do with is a way of applying

625
00:28:25,610 --> 00:28:23,430
viewing and it's designed to help help

626
00:28:28,100 --> 00:28:25,620
the you know remote viewing people

627
00:28:30,650 --> 00:28:28,110
working with him or her to be able to

628
00:28:32,900 --> 00:28:30,660
predict future events so you can take

629
00:28:35,150 --> 00:28:32,910
advantage of that advanced information

630
00:28:38,060 --> 00:28:35,160
it's a kind of precognitive remote

631
00:28:39,470 --> 00:28:38,070
viewing if you will and it's used to

632
00:28:41,780 --> 00:28:39,480
predict the outcome of sporting events

633
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:41,790
or stock prices where they're going to

634
00:28:47,930 --> 00:28:43,170
close up or down and that kind of thing

635
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:47,940
and in fact it's one of the more popular

636
00:28:52,670 --> 00:28:50,250
forms right now one more popular

637
00:28:54,110 --> 00:28:52,680
applications because people are making

638
00:28:55,550 --> 00:28:54,120
money at it you know that old saying

639
00:28:57,980 --> 00:28:55,560
we'll look your psychie quiet you're

640
00:28:59,510 --> 00:28:57,990
rich mm-hmm well there are people who

641
00:29:02,090 --> 00:28:59,520
are actually making quite a bit of money

642
00:29:05,420 --> 00:29:02,100
with remote viewing using this ARV

643
00:29:10,700 --> 00:29:05,430
associative remote viewing process in

644
00:29:13,790 --> 00:29:10,710
fact my son in college at University of

645
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:13,800
Colorado the class he was in they

646
00:29:17,990 --> 00:29:15,330
decided as a class project they were

647
00:29:19,700 --> 00:29:18,000
going to run an ARV project and the

648
00:29:22,190 --> 00:29:19,710
stock market was going to be their

649
00:29:24,500 --> 00:29:22,200
target and they had that one of the

650
00:29:25,910 --> 00:29:24,510
course auditors kicked in he was a comm

651
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:25,920
millionaire so he thought he'd play

652
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:28,770
along and he he kicked in ten thousand

653
00:29:33,980 --> 00:29:30,570
bucks of seed money and by the time they

654
00:29:36,530 --> 00:29:33,990
were done in two weeks seven correct

655
00:29:38,390 --> 00:29:36,540
trades and no misses they had turned

656
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:38,400
that ten thousand into twenty six

657
00:29:48,740 --> 00:29:40,530
thousand five hundred dollars nice very

658
00:29:50,780 --> 00:29:48,750
nice there is you know according to

659
00:29:53,810 --> 00:29:50,790
Russell Targ at any rate there is

660
00:29:58,040 --> 00:29:53,820
fatigue that sets in after a point is

661
00:29:59,750 --> 00:29:58,050
there not yes and I presumably thing

662
00:30:01,070 --> 00:29:59,760
about it are you talking about Social

663
00:30:03,020 --> 00:30:01,080
Forum Oh being here or just remote

664
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:03,030
viewing in general I'm talking about

665
00:30:08,540 --> 00:30:05,490
associative remote view for a stock

666
00:30:11,210 --> 00:30:08,550
market where you were like with Russell

667
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:11,220
it was the silver the silver futures or

668
00:30:17,330 --> 00:30:14,370
something yeah that nature yeah I've

669
00:30:21,380 --> 00:30:17,340
done a lot of ARV in my past and I found

670
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:21,390
that I went up and down in terms of

671
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:25,290
success partly based on I was getting

672
00:30:32,150 --> 00:30:29,010
bored right so you do have to kind of

673
00:30:33,260 --> 00:30:32,160
pace yourself and if you find yourself

674
00:30:35,510 --> 00:30:33,270
just kind of getting bored

675
00:30:37,250 --> 00:30:35,520
just tossing off a session or two you

676
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:37,260
might want to stop and take a break at

677
00:30:41,450 --> 00:30:40,170
that point this in this case we're not

678
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:41,460
talking about viewing we're talking

679
00:30:46,090 --> 00:30:43,890
psychology human psychology is such that

680
00:30:48,980 --> 00:30:46,100
anything it does over over time

681
00:30:50,690 --> 00:30:48,990
repetitively becomes tedious right and

682
00:30:53,270 --> 00:30:50,700
you start taking shortcuts you start

683
00:30:58,070 --> 00:30:53,280
getting lazy so yeah that does indeed

684
00:31:00,020 --> 00:30:58,080
happen um one one other thing extended

685
00:31:03,650 --> 00:31:00,030
remote viewing would you like to define

686
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:03,660
that for our listening audience sure

687
00:31:08,420 --> 00:31:06,450
that was a kind of a proto remote

688
00:31:10,310 --> 00:31:08,430
viewing approach that skip that water

689
00:31:12,260 --> 00:31:10,320
developed at Fort Meade now I don't know

690
00:31:15,590 --> 00:31:12,270
how much your audience knows about skip

691
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:15,600
that water of you I've mentioned him

692
00:31:20,330 --> 00:31:18,450
before and he in fact was one of my

693
00:31:23,390 --> 00:31:20,340
remote viewing instructors in an

694
00:31:27,740 --> 00:31:23,400
excellent one he was and a wonderful

695
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:27,750
gentleman as well so you know I've

696
00:31:33,590 --> 00:31:30,450
mentioned him a lot but I have not

697
00:31:37,310 --> 00:31:33,600
delved into you know his entire history

698
00:31:39,950 --> 00:31:37,320
perhaps he will come on one day and we

699
00:31:43,070 --> 00:31:39,960
Gail us with some well let me give me a

700
00:31:44,930 --> 00:31:43,080
two-cent soundbite on him we knew him as

701
00:31:46,490 --> 00:31:44,940
Fred because his official name is Fred

702
00:31:48,380 --> 00:31:46,500
Holmes that water but he preferred the

703
00:31:52,010 --> 00:31:48,390
nickname skip after retired from the

704
00:31:54,230 --> 00:31:52,020
Army but he was the the officer that

705
00:31:57,500 --> 00:31:54,240
actually was tasked to create the army

706
00:32:00,080 --> 00:31:57,510
remote viewing program and he started it

707
00:32:03,290 --> 00:32:00,090
in 1977 and working with other officers

708
00:32:06,230 --> 00:32:03,300
as well and retired finally in 1987 but

709
00:32:07,940 --> 00:32:06,240
he created the army program and he was

710
00:32:10,340 --> 00:32:07,950
kind of a guiding light for those ten

711
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:10,350
years and in the course of that he

712
00:32:14,090 --> 00:32:11,850
developed this extended remote viewing

713
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:14,100
approach which takes advantage of a

714
00:32:19,730 --> 00:32:16,770
hypnagogic state that is mind awake body

715
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:19,740
asleep and and then extended remote

716
00:32:25,190 --> 00:32:22,770
viewing or as we called it ERV you

717
00:32:27,260 --> 00:32:25,200
weren't sitting at a table fairly alert

718
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:27,270
like you are in cr-v and this one you'd

719
00:32:30,230 --> 00:32:28,770
be laying on a bed or a couch or

720
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:30,240
something and you try and establish that

721
00:32:36,020 --> 00:32:33,690
that mental state that's just between

722
00:32:37,970 --> 00:32:36,030
awake and asleep the idea being that

723
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:37,980
your subconscious can communicate with

724
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:40,530
you better when you're in that state or

725
00:32:44,540 --> 00:32:43,170
condition and then a monitor would come

726
00:32:46,580 --> 00:32:44,550
in and start asking you questions about

727
00:32:47,060 --> 00:32:46,590
a particular target they'd give you the

728
00:32:49,370 --> 00:32:47,070
coordinates

729
00:32:51,799 --> 00:32:49,380
say okay at this this specific latitude

730
00:32:54,470 --> 00:32:51,809
and longitude there is something we want

731
00:32:55,820 --> 00:32:54,480
you to describe and the viewer not

732
00:32:58,669 --> 00:32:55,830
knowing what that is goes out in the

733
00:32:59,930 --> 00:32:58,679
subconscious directs the viewer to go to

734
00:33:03,529 --> 00:32:59,940
the right spot and then it starts

735
00:33:05,690 --> 00:33:03,539
describing what's there and so that's

736
00:33:07,310 --> 00:33:05,700
that's what we call ERV is essentially

737
00:33:10,789 --> 00:33:07,320
its mind awake body asleep laying on a

738
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:10,799
bed being interviewed by by the monitors

739
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:15,090
of this with you okay well the other

740
00:33:21,009 --> 00:33:18,570
thing on that arv that if you can

741
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:21,019
predict things like stock market or

742
00:33:25,700 --> 00:33:23,610
sporting events whatever that almost

743
00:33:29,539 --> 00:33:25,710
indicates that the future sort of fixed

744
00:33:32,090 --> 00:33:29,549
in a way well it does almost seem it

745
00:33:35,779 --> 00:33:32,100
almost seems that way but actually not

746
00:33:37,669 --> 00:33:35,789
at least the way I look at our V and I

747
00:33:41,090 --> 00:33:37,679
used it a lot and trained a lot of

748
00:33:43,100 --> 00:33:41,100
people how to do it so my view of the

749
00:33:44,810 --> 00:33:43,110
future and I think it's supported by a

750
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:44,820
lot of the evidences the future hasn't

751
00:33:50,060 --> 00:33:47,850
happened yet right there are a lot of

752
00:33:51,590 --> 00:33:50,070
people who that sounds seems like well

753
00:33:52,789 --> 00:33:51,600
it's obvious does it future hasn't

754
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:52,799
happened yet but there are a lot of

755
00:33:58,159 --> 00:33:54,450
philosophies in which the future already

756
00:34:01,249 --> 00:33:58,169
exists and if you could predict the

757
00:34:02,930 --> 00:34:01,259
future with high degree of accuracy no

758
00:34:05,570 --> 00:34:02,940
matter what then it would probably an

759
00:34:08,710 --> 00:34:05,580
indication it did but in fact when we

760
00:34:11,030 --> 00:34:08,720
start trying to remote viewing view

761
00:34:12,589 --> 00:34:11,040
events and what I call the open future

762
00:34:14,089 --> 00:34:12,599
like when will the next terrorist attack

763
00:34:21,260 --> 00:34:14,099
me or where will the next terrorist

764
00:34:23,540 --> 00:34:21,270
attack be or what you know will the just

765
00:34:25,099 --> 00:34:23,550
big question itself will so-and-so win

766
00:34:28,550 --> 00:34:25,109
the World Series you know in three

767
00:34:30,980 --> 00:34:28,560
months or whatever that doesn't turn out

768
00:34:32,540 --> 00:34:30,990
to be very accurate occasionally you get

769
00:34:34,700 --> 00:34:32,550
an actual hit but most of the time

770
00:34:35,889 --> 00:34:34,710
you're wrong and in fact of course

771
00:34:38,059 --> 00:34:35,899
everybody associates

772
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:38,069
you know foretelling the future with

773
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:39,810
remote viewing was being psychic in

774
00:34:43,490 --> 00:34:42,210
general but in fact it's one of the

775
00:34:45,859 --> 00:34:43,500
things that being psychic is the heart

776
00:34:49,690 --> 00:34:45,869
it does the poorest at we just happen to

777
00:34:53,500 --> 00:34:49,700
remember those things that are hits okay

778
00:34:56,599 --> 00:34:53,510
so we think that but but remote

779
00:34:58,910 --> 00:34:56,609
assumption remote viewing actually is

780
00:35:00,109 --> 00:34:58,920
roughly the same accuracy level as if

781
00:35:00,620 --> 00:35:00,119
you were kind of trying to remote you

782
00:35:02,870 --> 00:35:00,630
the present

783
00:35:04,850 --> 00:35:02,880
the past and so the question is well if

784
00:35:06,290 --> 00:35:04,860
remote viewing an open future event

785
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:06,300
doesn't work very well why does this

786
00:35:11,420 --> 00:35:08,970
work so well and I think the answer is

787
00:35:14,030 --> 00:35:11,430
if you remote viewing event that is

788
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:14,040
determined is deterministic that is is

789
00:35:19,100 --> 00:35:16,650
destined to happen by the facts of the

790
00:35:20,930 --> 00:35:19,110
physical facts at the moment and as they

791
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:20,940
continue out you can do that pretty

792
00:35:25,790 --> 00:35:24,090
accurately what happens with associative

793
00:35:28,670 --> 00:35:25,800
remote viewing is you essentially

794
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:28,680
collapse the future time stream in that

795
00:35:33,890 --> 00:35:31,410
narrow corner of the future into an

796
00:35:35,330 --> 00:35:33,900
almost deterministic event which allows

797
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:35,340
you to actually be accurate about them

798
00:35:39,650 --> 00:35:37,410
so let me explain real quickly how this

799
00:35:45,050 --> 00:35:39,660
works okay so let's say you want to know

800
00:35:47,780 --> 00:35:45,060
if if the longhorns or texas A&M are

801
00:35:49,310 --> 00:35:47,790
gonna win the football game okay well if

802
00:35:52,340 --> 00:35:49,320
you ask her about your who's gonna win

803
00:35:54,350 --> 00:35:52,350
Longhorns or I am the remote viewer just

804
00:35:56,210 --> 00:35:54,360
consciously coming up with an answer is

805
00:35:57,470 --> 00:35:56,220
never going to do any better than chance

806
00:35:59,930 --> 00:35:57,480
in that environment

807
00:36:01,250 --> 00:35:59,940
okay because they're aware and alert and

808
00:36:03,710 --> 00:36:01,260
they're essentially guessing even though

809
00:36:06,980 --> 00:36:03,720
they're trying to Remote View but what

810
00:36:08,780 --> 00:36:06,990
you do is you essentially use a it's

811
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:08,790
kind of like a symbol for flag one flag

812
00:36:12,530 --> 00:36:11,130
means am is going to win the other flag

813
00:36:14,990 --> 00:36:12,540
means that text is gonna win right so

814
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:15,000
you pick a target let's say a pencil to

815
00:36:20,450 --> 00:36:17,490
mean that an M is going to win and you

816
00:36:23,240 --> 00:36:20,460
pick another target a hamburger that

817
00:36:25,340 --> 00:36:23,250
stands for the Longhorns winning

818
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:25,350
well the viewer doesn't know anything

819
00:36:29,990 --> 00:36:27,570
about what target you picked but you

820
00:36:31,580 --> 00:36:30,000
know that if a M is going to win you're

821
00:36:35,390 --> 00:36:31,590
going to show the viewer a pencil after

822
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:35,400
the game and you know that if long one's

823
00:36:39,710 --> 00:36:36,930
when you're going to show the viewer a

824
00:36:41,150 --> 00:36:39,720
hamburger after the game right and so

825
00:36:43,220 --> 00:36:41,160
you ask the viewer I want you to

826
00:36:46,610 --> 00:36:43,230
describe the object I'm going to hand

827
00:36:49,820 --> 00:36:46,620
you once this game is over and if the

828
00:36:51,770 --> 00:36:49,830
remote viewer says well it's big and

829
00:36:54,950 --> 00:36:51,780
round a brown and soft and squishy and

830
00:36:56,830 --> 00:36:54,960
smells like food well that means you're

831
00:36:59,810 --> 00:36:56,840
going to hand the viewer a hamburger

832
00:37:01,520 --> 00:36:59,820
implied well it means in theory it means

833
00:37:03,140 --> 00:37:01,530
you're going to hand him the am burgers

834
00:37:06,190 --> 00:37:03,150
to the viewer afterwards you know that

835
00:37:09,470 --> 00:37:06,200
the viewer doesn't and so you wait and

836
00:37:11,540 --> 00:37:09,480
assuming the Longhorns win then that

837
00:37:13,100 --> 00:37:11,550
tells you okay the Longhorns won I've

838
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:13,110
got to give the viewer a hamburger now

839
00:37:15,620 --> 00:37:14,370
the game is over

840
00:37:17,060 --> 00:37:15,630
that they're essentially spending

841
00:37:20,420 --> 00:37:17,070
themselves information back into the

842
00:37:22,250 --> 00:37:20,430
past ah so it's all it's also really

843
00:37:24,650 --> 00:37:22,260
important to follow through isn't it

844
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:24,660
Paul yes absolutely well you know it's

845
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:26,370
interesting what I would like to see if

846
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:28,290
somebody do a research project where

847
00:37:32,990 --> 00:37:30,810
they they have a control group where

848
00:37:34,580 --> 00:37:33,000
they're giving them feedback in other

849
00:37:35,270 --> 00:37:34,590
words they do give them the hamburger in

850
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:35,280
the future right

851
00:37:40,220 --> 00:37:36,930
and then another control group where

852
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:40,230
they don't and just see what happens to

853
00:37:43,670 --> 00:37:42,090
see if the ones that get the feedback

854
00:37:45,380 --> 00:37:43,680
are more accurate than the ones who

855
00:37:47,090 --> 00:37:45,390
don't because there's one other

856
00:37:49,190 --> 00:37:47,100
possibility that subconscious knows

857
00:37:50,630 --> 00:37:49,200
what's going to be handed and and just

858
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:50,640
tells me even if they don't ever get the

859
00:37:55,100 --> 00:37:53,130
feedback I think that that is not going

860
00:37:56,990 --> 00:37:55,110
to work very well but you would be

861
00:37:59,540 --> 00:37:57,000
addressing to test that condition and

862
00:38:02,510 --> 00:37:59,550
see what happens yeah and certainly what

863
00:38:04,850 --> 00:38:02,520
sure oh it's sort of an interesting way

864
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:04,860
to view things there were there were

865
00:38:14,450 --> 00:38:07,650
some open-ended oh yeah I was going to

866
00:38:18,530 --> 00:38:14,460
say there were some people who were

867
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:18,540
viewing for hedge funds by being sent to

868
00:38:25,130 --> 00:38:21,930
photos like one picture of a lemon and

869
00:38:27,170 --> 00:38:25,140
another picture of a baby crying so you

870
00:38:29,750 --> 00:38:27,180
know you wouldn't have any confusion

871
00:38:32,780 --> 00:38:29,760
between those and they would just pick

872
00:38:34,940 --> 00:38:32,790
one picture or another and that way and

873
00:38:38,180 --> 00:38:34,950
that then the hedge fund would go with

874
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:38,190
what that picture was associated well we

875
00:38:42,470 --> 00:38:40,650
remember that remember what the it's

876
00:38:45,050 --> 00:38:42,480
actually the way around the picture goes

877
00:38:46,610 --> 00:38:45,060
with whatever the hedge fund does right

878
00:38:48,650 --> 00:38:46,620
right yeah

879
00:38:50,870 --> 00:38:48,660
yeah and that's actually what is used

880
00:38:52,700 --> 00:38:50,880
mostly these days as photos because it's

881
00:38:55,070 --> 00:38:52,710
really hard particularly a long distance

882
00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:55,080
to send the hamburger through the mail

883
00:39:01,070 --> 00:38:57,570
for example you know to give the viewer

884
00:39:03,170 --> 00:39:01,080
feedback long distance so so usually we

885
00:39:05,870 --> 00:39:03,180
use photos these days but obviously as

886
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:05,880
you've just just described you have to

887
00:39:09,860 --> 00:39:08,010
make sure the photos are so much

888
00:39:11,420 --> 00:39:09,870
different than me then each other that

889
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:11,430
it's obvious which one the viewers

890
00:39:15,740 --> 00:39:12,810
described because you know it can be

891
00:39:18,980 --> 00:39:15,750
very vague sometimes mm-hmm well I know

892
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:18,990
time is getting late for you but I

893
00:39:27,630 --> 00:39:23,850
wanted to ask you that the final well

894
00:39:31,050 --> 00:39:27,640
the second to final question which is

895
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:31,060
and I are both experiencers and we're

896
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:34,450
very interested in the subject of UFOs

897
00:39:46,170 --> 00:39:41,770
and I have read accounts by Ingo Swann

898
00:39:49,110 --> 00:39:46,180
and by Joe mcmoneagle of INGOs viewing

899
00:39:51,900 --> 00:39:49,120
the moon and Joe's viewing Mars and

900
00:39:54,750 --> 00:39:51,910
while those accounts are you know

901
00:39:56,460 --> 00:39:54,760
extraordinarily interesting to me let me

902
00:39:58,860 --> 00:39:56,470
before you completely continue by the

903
00:40:00,870 --> 00:39:58,870
way I remote view the moon for dingo

904
00:40:02,460 --> 00:40:00,880
ditching us know sometimes we could talk

905
00:40:05,340 --> 00:40:02,470
about that maybe well I would love to

906
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:05,350
talk about that because I also viewed

907
00:40:17,070 --> 00:40:09,490
the moon sort of accidentally but but

908
00:40:20,550 --> 00:40:17,080
the the remote viewing adventure that I

909
00:40:23,550 --> 00:40:20,560
found to be the most compelling in the

910
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:23,560
reading of it was written down on a blog

911
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:27,130
that skip Atwater once had I don't know

912
00:40:33,030 --> 00:40:30,130
if it's even up any longer and it had to

913
00:40:37,250 --> 00:40:33,040
do I believe he was the Tasker and

914
00:40:40,530 --> 00:40:37,260
tasked a number of viewers on a derelict

915
00:40:43,590 --> 00:40:40,540
argentinean I'm guessing a boat a

916
00:40:47,430 --> 00:40:43,600
military boat in the Argentinian waters

917
00:40:50,660 --> 00:40:47,440
and what do you know when I spoke to you

918
00:40:53,460 --> 00:40:50,670
about it you were one of the viewers so

919
00:41:00,870 --> 00:40:53,470
can you talk about that can you talk too

920
00:41:04,140 --> 00:41:00,880
bad yes so how this happened is that Hal

921
00:41:07,650 --> 00:41:04,150
put off had some there were some UFO

922
00:41:09,900 --> 00:41:07,660
events that he was curious about and he

923
00:41:13,050 --> 00:41:09,910
had some coordinates and such and some

924
00:41:16,980 --> 00:41:13,060
dates and all that and he passed a bunch

925
00:41:18,720 --> 00:41:16,990
of these on to skip now this

926
00:41:23,370 --> 00:41:18,730
particularly incident actually came from

927
00:41:24,720 --> 00:41:23,380
UFO researcher Jim McCampbell I talked

928
00:41:27,900 --> 00:41:24,730
to Hal about this because I was curious

929
00:41:30,060 --> 00:41:27,910
to know where what instigated this whole

930
00:41:32,820 --> 00:41:30,070
thing and he said that he had heard

931
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:32,830
gotten some information from a Campbell

932
00:41:38,220 --> 00:41:35,890
about this and so he passed on the

933
00:41:40,170 --> 00:41:38,230
targeting information to skip out water

934
00:41:41,539 --> 00:41:40,180
and then over the course of a couple

935
00:41:43,650 --> 00:41:41,549
years

936
00:41:46,199 --> 00:41:43,660
skip well in nineteen eighty three

937
00:41:47,849 --> 00:41:46,209
eighty three skip brand to viewers on it

938
00:41:49,529 --> 00:41:47,859
and in nineteen eighty five Rand two

939
00:41:53,339 --> 00:41:49,539
more viewers on it

940
00:41:56,819 --> 00:41:53,349
the first in 1983 was Joe mcmoneagle and

941
00:41:59,699 --> 00:41:56,829
also Tom McNair who are both viewers at

942
00:42:02,729 --> 00:41:59,709
the time in the program and both of them

943
00:42:05,549 --> 00:42:02,739
reported essentially that they have a

944
00:42:07,439 --> 00:42:05,559
perception of a ship and a cloud over

945
00:42:10,349 --> 00:42:07,449
the ship and the UFO doing something

946
00:42:14,549 --> 00:42:10,359
really bizarre and the crew panicking

947
00:42:16,380 --> 00:42:14,559
and and essentially disappearing I think

948
00:42:17,939 --> 00:42:16,390
Joe had them jumping off the back of the

949
00:42:22,410 --> 00:42:17,949
ship or jumping off the ship or

950
00:42:23,999 --> 00:42:22,420
something in terror and uh Tom let's see

951
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:24,009
actually I have some of my notes here so

952
00:42:28,140 --> 00:42:26,170
let's see what Tom said I'll tell you

953
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:28,150
real quick what's worth my cursor here

954
00:42:31,199 --> 00:42:28,690
we go

955
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:31,209
and Tom talked about a strange build

956
00:42:39,479 --> 00:42:34,690
billowy energy cloud that caused fear

957
00:42:42,930 --> 00:42:39,489
and he felt should be avoided so then

958
00:42:45,900 --> 00:42:42,940
two years later he skip works and bill

959
00:42:48,749 --> 00:42:45,910
ray on it who's one of my protege and

960
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:48,759
companions or colleagues there bill

961
00:42:52,890 --> 00:42:50,890
described the UFO was spreading a mist

962
00:42:55,109 --> 00:42:52,900
of vapor and a steam around the naval

963
00:42:57,660 --> 00:42:55,119
vessel and attacking it with energy that

964
00:43:00,949 --> 00:42:57,670
made the crew insane with fear and which

965
00:43:03,959 --> 00:43:00,959
left the ship empty of human life okay

966
00:43:07,229 --> 00:43:03,969
and he described the UFOs occupants as

967
00:43:10,079 --> 00:43:07,239
cold and unpleasant Wow

968
00:43:12,479 --> 00:43:10,089
yeah so so that was interesting him I

969
00:43:14,819 --> 00:43:12,489
did it he cast me and unfortunately mine

970
00:43:19,349 --> 00:43:14,829
didn't turn out very well because what I

971
00:43:22,229 --> 00:43:19,359
said was well it was short went very

972
00:43:24,599 --> 00:43:22,239
informative I said that I thought what I

973
00:43:27,539 --> 00:43:24,609
thought was was mental noise called

974
00:43:30,269 --> 00:43:27,549
analytical overlay of a UFO an incident

975
00:43:31,890 --> 00:43:30,279
involving a ship in the cloud and I said

976
00:43:35,130 --> 00:43:31,900
I can't get this out of my head and so I

977
00:43:37,259 --> 00:43:35,140
ended my session oh my goodness well one

978
00:43:39,509 --> 00:43:37,269
thing we I think we've got to point out

979
00:43:42,180 --> 00:43:39,519
for our listeners and I I'm sorry to

980
00:43:44,609 --> 00:43:42,190
interrupt you here but to point out to

981
00:43:48,029 --> 00:43:44,619
our listeners here are four gentlemen I

982
00:43:49,769 --> 00:43:48,039
assume if the protocol was followed that

983
00:43:53,519 --> 00:43:49,779
none of you knew that you were supposed

984
00:43:55,220 --> 00:43:53,529
to be viewing a UFO or a ship no we did

985
00:43:58,920 --> 00:43:55,230
not know we got coordinates in a day

986
00:44:01,260 --> 00:43:58,930
just just a number and a date and you

987
00:44:04,109 --> 00:44:01,270
have no idea in time or space where this

988
00:44:08,220 --> 00:44:04,119
thing was and all four of you came up

989
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:08,230
with something that was remarkable yep

990
00:44:12,450 --> 00:44:10,450
yes that's right the interesting thing

991
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:12,460
is the ship was what instigated the

992
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:15,130
whole thing was that this ship it was a

993
00:44:20,309 --> 00:44:17,890
it was an argentinian minesweeper old

994
00:44:22,740 --> 00:44:20,319
world war ii minesweeper as i understand

995
00:44:23,220 --> 00:44:22,750
it and it was found drifting in the gulf

996
00:44:25,980 --> 00:44:23,230
Oh

997
00:44:29,490 --> 00:44:25,990
with nobody on board I mean and uh oh

998
00:44:31,589 --> 00:44:29,500
wow yeah I want to say the crew roughly

999
00:44:32,819 --> 00:44:31,599
numbers on a minesweeper up around 70

1000
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:32,829
maybe something like that

1001
00:44:39,420 --> 00:44:35,770
yeah there was nobody on board and there

1002
00:44:41,700 --> 00:44:39,430
was no clue as I remember what had

1003
00:44:43,910 --> 00:44:41,710
happened to them and so to have the

1004
00:44:46,770 --> 00:44:43,920
viewers come up with these kind of

1005
00:44:50,839 --> 00:44:46,780
results independently all blind to the

1006
00:44:53,099 --> 00:44:50,849
target years apart that's pretty

1007
00:44:55,020 --> 00:44:53,109
affirmative kind of stuff and it wasn't

1008
00:44:57,240 --> 00:44:55,030
like skip had some idea in his head

1009
00:44:59,579 --> 00:44:57,250
about what we'd find out or that hell

1010
00:45:01,230 --> 00:44:59,589
did they really didn't know they had no

1011
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:01,240
preconceived notions about it and so

1012
00:45:04,470 --> 00:45:02,890
when they task us on it it wasn't like

1013
00:45:06,150 --> 00:45:04,480
we picked it up from their minds

1014
00:45:08,730 --> 00:45:06,160
telepathic overlay which sometimes

1015
00:45:10,380 --> 00:45:08,740
happens it's like this stuff has kind of

1016
00:45:12,750 --> 00:45:10,390
came right out of the ether and so

1017
00:45:15,890 --> 00:45:12,760
that's just something very provocative

1018
00:45:27,299 --> 00:45:15,900
about it and they might in fact be true

1019
00:45:29,910 --> 00:45:27,309
what year was that oh very recently yeah

1020
00:45:36,390 --> 00:45:29,920
Wow well maybe not for some of your

1021
00:45:38,579 --> 00:45:36,400
listeners but for us I was thinking

1022
00:45:41,339 --> 00:45:38,589
along the lines of Bermuda Triangle and

1023
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:41,349
then it's you know 1560 and 1700s and

1024
00:45:48,420 --> 00:45:46,930
who knows but ah well and we said that

1025
00:45:50,490 --> 00:45:48,430
wasn't like during the time of the

1026
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:50,500
Falkland Islands was it I I don't

1027
00:45:56,700 --> 00:45:53,890
uh yeah let me think Falklands I was

1028
00:45:58,109 --> 00:45:56,710
actually with on a military exercise in

1029
00:46:00,900 --> 00:45:58,119
England when the Falklands thing

1030
00:46:04,049 --> 00:46:00,910
happened I think the Falklands were in

1031
00:46:05,730 --> 00:46:04,059
82 if I'm not mistaken huh so I could

1032
00:46:07,330 --> 00:46:05,740
have been associated with that as well

1033
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:07,340
possibly

1034
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:11,330
but this world my golf uh it wasn't oh

1035
00:46:16,450 --> 00:46:14,450
it wasn't off Argentina wasn't it yeah

1036
00:46:19,020 --> 00:46:16,460
was there was east of Argentina on the

1037
00:46:21,610 --> 00:46:19,030
eastern side of Argentina in the

1038
00:46:23,590 --> 00:46:21,620
government and Matias and and so we're

1039
00:46:25,240 --> 00:46:23,600
talking quite a ways away from the

1040
00:46:29,910 --> 00:46:25,250
Falklands but Lawson's work took place

1041
00:46:33,790 --> 00:46:29,920
out there right now uh in in the summer

1042
00:46:37,300 --> 00:46:33,800
the spring and summer of 1982 so this

1043
00:46:39,610 --> 00:46:37,310
was this is a while after this event

1044
00:46:42,250 --> 00:46:39,620
this event was let's see if I can find

1045
00:46:43,900 --> 00:46:42,260
out what the actual date was I know

1046
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:43,910
where I can find out hang on a second

1047
00:46:59,980 --> 00:46:54,890
the test King was tell me it just says

1048
00:47:02,110 --> 00:46:59,990
no just as 1981 I'm not it just said

1049
00:47:04,510 --> 00:47:02,120
sometimes there's in the UFO field

1050
00:47:06,390 --> 00:47:04,520
sometimes they say that that they come

1051
00:47:10,270 --> 00:47:06,400
down and they interfere with human

1052
00:47:12,910 --> 00:47:10,280
governments and war and so on and maybe

1053
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:12,920
they sent the wrong vessel and you know

1054
00:47:20,650 --> 00:47:15,010
but I find that very interesting

1055
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:20,660
I mean 70 people you you all remote

1056
00:47:23,620 --> 00:47:22,850
viewed this and I mean something must

1057
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:23,630
have happened

1058
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:26,450
and then you found a derelict ship I

1059
00:47:33,190 --> 00:47:29,690
find it fascinating that's amazing

1060
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:33,200
it's to me that is the a very strong

1061
00:47:41,950 --> 00:47:39,050
proof of UFO being real you know being

1062
00:47:44,980 --> 00:47:41,960
real and interfering with human beings I

1063
00:47:46,990 --> 00:47:44,990
mean we all know about the the Brazilian

1064
00:47:49,990 --> 00:47:47,000
situation where the people all

1065
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:50,000
irradiated on the island of coladas in

1066
00:47:56,650 --> 00:47:53,570
the Amazon the mouth of the Amazon and

1067
00:47:59,620 --> 00:47:56,660
how they can but that is a word of mouth

1068
00:48:02,260 --> 00:47:59,630
kind of thing it wasn't remote viewed so

1069
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:02,270
I'd be an interesting target foot to

1070
00:48:09,790 --> 00:48:05,890
remote view the Caloris incident yeah

1071
00:48:12,220 --> 00:48:09,800
well anyway I just want to thank you for

1072
00:48:15,250 --> 00:48:12,230
being a wonderful wonderful guest with

1073
00:48:19,720 --> 00:48:15,260
us we have one final question which I

1074
00:48:20,859 --> 00:48:19,730
would ask because some remote viewers

1075
00:48:23,190 --> 00:48:20,869
are

1076
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:23,200
constantly seeing the end of the world

1077
00:48:30,910 --> 00:48:27,410
in various ways how do you come down on

1078
00:48:37,599 --> 00:48:30,920
that well for one thing the world is

1079
00:48:39,940 --> 00:48:37,609
going to end eventually I you know I a

1080
00:48:42,190 --> 00:48:39,950
lot of what you hear allegedly done by

1081
00:48:44,589 --> 00:48:42,200
remote viewing about apocalypse coming

1082
00:48:46,720 --> 00:48:44,599
is usually these folks are working

1083
00:48:48,759 --> 00:48:46,730
front-loaded which means all of their

1084
00:48:51,309 --> 00:48:48,769
preconceptions are right there the exam

1085
00:48:52,720 --> 00:48:51,319
and you know they oftentimes endorse

1086
00:48:55,420 --> 00:48:52,730
their favorite theory rather than

1087
00:48:58,059 --> 00:48:55,430
actually reporting remote viewing day so

1088
00:48:59,380 --> 00:48:58,069
so I find all that stuff not

1089
00:49:02,049 --> 00:48:59,390
particularly trustworthy I mean there's

1090
00:49:04,150 --> 00:49:02,059
one of my former colleagues is famous

1091
00:49:05,769 --> 00:49:04,160
for predicting from this the end of the

1092
00:49:08,650 --> 00:49:05,779
world he's been doing it actually since

1093
00:49:10,749 --> 00:49:08,660
the seventies the first my first

1094
00:49:12,789 --> 00:49:10,759
encounter with with the gentleman who is

1095
00:49:17,079 --> 00:49:12,799
an interesting guy there's no question

1096
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:17,089
but it was in 1983 in 1984 he was

1097
00:49:19,329 --> 00:49:18,410
telling us all that the world is going

1098
00:49:22,900 --> 00:49:19,339
to come to an end or gonna have this

1099
00:49:26,140 --> 00:49:22,910
massive apocalypse thing in 1984-85 well

1100
00:49:28,900 --> 00:49:26,150
it didn't happen ever since then it's

1101
00:49:31,180 --> 00:49:28,910
been like that I mean it involves the

1102
00:49:33,789 --> 00:49:31,190
the of course popular thing is killshot

1103
00:49:35,609 --> 00:49:33,799
he talks about killed on yes he's been

1104
00:49:40,450 --> 00:49:35,619
talking about him predicting that

1105
00:49:42,910 --> 00:49:40,460
annually since 1997 so it's almost 20

1106
00:49:51,220 --> 00:49:42,920
years and it still hasn't happened he

1107
00:49:53,049 --> 00:49:51,230
who shall not be mentioned yeah a giant

1108
00:49:56,049 --> 00:49:53,059
solar flare that allegedly will wipe out

1109
00:49:58,089 --> 00:49:56,059
most of the life oh okay and then there

1110
00:50:00,249 --> 00:49:58,099
was one wasn't there one with a big

1111
00:50:04,089 --> 00:50:00,259
meteor or two that was coming through

1112
00:50:06,460 --> 00:50:04,099
the carpet well I just had to ask you

1113
00:50:11,170 --> 00:50:06,470
your opinion on that because he does a

1114
00:50:14,529 --> 00:50:11,180
lot of publicity and probably some of

1115
00:50:17,620 --> 00:50:14,539
our viewers have heard about some of

1116
00:50:21,190 --> 00:50:17,630
that publicity so before let's not give

1117
00:50:23,589 --> 00:50:21,200
him any more publicity and I thank you

1118
00:50:23,829 --> 00:50:23,599
so much for being on it's really kind of

1119
00:50:27,819 --> 00:50:23,839
you

1120
00:50:30,279 --> 00:50:27,829
and we need to get the website yes we

1121
00:50:34,390 --> 00:50:30,289
want the books the website and the

1122
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:34,400
courses lay them out for so

1123
00:50:40,180 --> 00:50:37,450
so the only two websites right now

1124
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:40,190
because the others aren't live yet right

1125
00:50:47,230 --> 00:50:43,010
the one is and I mentioned it the free

1126
00:50:49,060 --> 00:50:47,240
dowsing DVD calm and if anyone's

1127
00:50:51,550 --> 00:50:49,070
interested in dowsing they can get that

1128
00:50:52,870 --> 00:50:51,560
that introductory DVD and they'll get on

1129
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:52,880
the mailing list for when the remote

1130
00:50:57,730 --> 00:50:55,970
perception course comes out the other

1131
00:50:59,290 --> 00:50:57,740
one which is actually all announced all

1132
00:51:01,750 --> 00:50:59,300
this stuff on this one as well is my

1133
00:51:05,410 --> 00:51:01,760
main website for my training and that's

1134
00:51:09,580 --> 00:51:05,420
our viewer comm so letter R the word

1135
00:51:11,620 --> 00:51:09,590
viewer calm and you know I post my

1136
00:51:13,090 --> 00:51:11,630
schedule for my courses and various

1137
00:51:16,510 --> 00:51:13,100
informations things on there is quite a

1138
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:16,520
bit information on it so okay and the

1139
00:51:21,250 --> 00:51:18,490
names of the books Paul don't be shy

1140
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:21,260
okay well there's reading reading the

1141
00:51:26,290 --> 00:51:24,290
enemy's mind which you can still get

1142
00:51:28,660 --> 00:51:26,300
used it's it's not a print except on

1143
00:51:30,790 --> 00:51:28,670
Kindle you can get on a Kindle you can

1144
00:51:32,470 --> 00:51:30,800
get it used and I highly recommend it I

1145
00:51:33,940 --> 00:51:32,480
I'm not making any more money off of it

1146
00:51:36,610 --> 00:51:33,950
but that's okay because I think the book

1147
00:51:38,380 --> 00:51:36,620
is still worth reading the book I will

1148
00:51:41,530 --> 00:51:38,390
be bringing out is called the essential

1149
00:51:43,810 --> 00:51:41,540
guide to remote viewing and that's a

1150
00:51:46,330 --> 00:51:43,820
basic guide for people who are just

1151
00:51:47,350 --> 00:51:46,340
getting started or think they may want

1152
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:47,360
to get started

1153
00:51:51,910 --> 00:51:49,850
excellent excellent okay well thank you

1154
00:51:56,470 --> 00:51:51,920
so much and have a wonderful afternoon

1155
00:51:57,370 --> 00:51:56,480
out in sunny Utah you bet I'm going to

1156
00:51:59,410 --> 00:51:57,380
enjoy it okay

1157
00:52:07,030 --> 00:51:59,420
okay I really thank you so much very

1158
00:52:10,150 --> 00:52:07,040
interesting really I now we have our we

1159
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:10,160
have our little news report we have a

1160
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:15,770
news report and the news report is about

1161
00:52:26,290 --> 00:52:20,690
alien life on the comet that the Phil a

1162
00:52:30,490 --> 00:52:26,300
lander from the rosetta craft rosetta

1163
00:52:32,530 --> 00:52:30,500
mission it's all about that comet which

1164
00:52:35,170 --> 00:52:32,540
has a long Russian name which I'm

1165
00:52:37,240 --> 00:52:35,180
probably going to murder but here here's

1166
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:37,250
the news report and I am getting this

1167
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:43,490
from Sky News okay evidence of alien

1168
00:52:47,770 --> 00:52:46,850
life is unequivocal on the comet

1169
00:52:50,710 --> 00:52:47,780
carrying

1170
00:52:54,130 --> 00:52:50,720
fill a probe through space to leading

1171
00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:54,140
astronomers have said the experts say

1172
00:53:05,110 --> 00:52:56,930
the most likely explanation for certain

1173
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:05,120
features of the 67p journey Univ Gerizim

1174
00:53:11,620 --> 00:53:08,930
a man Kimiko comet such as its organic

1175
00:53:15,420 --> 00:53:11,630
rich black crust is the presence of

1176
00:53:19,090 --> 00:53:15,430
living organisms beneath an icy surface

1177
00:53:22,240 --> 00:53:19,100
Rosetta the European spacecraft orbiting

1178
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:22,250
the comet is also said to have picked up

1179
00:53:30,430 --> 00:53:25,970
strange clusters of organic material

1180
00:53:33,220 --> 00:53:30,440
that resemble viral particles but

1181
00:53:35,890 --> 00:53:33,230
neither Rosetta nor its lander probe are

1182
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:35,900
equipped to search for direct evidence

1183
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:39,290
of life after a proposal to include this

1184
00:53:53,740 --> 00:53:49,540
astronomer and our astrobiologists

1185
00:53:56,350 --> 00:53:53,750
professor Chandra Wickramasinghe who was

1186
00:53:59,770 --> 00:53:56,360
involved in planning for the mission 15

1187
00:54:02,830 --> 00:53:59,780
years ago said I wanted to include at a

1188
00:54:05,380 --> 00:54:02,840
very inexpensive life detection

1189
00:54:08,860 --> 00:54:05,390
experiment at the time it was thought

1190
00:54:11,530 --> 00:54:08,870
that this was a bizarre proposition he

1191
00:54:15,730 --> 00:54:11,540
and colleague dr. max Wallace from the

1192
00:54:18,550 --> 00:54:15,740
University of Cardiff believe 67p and

1193
00:54:21,690 --> 00:54:18,560
other comets like it could provide homes

1194
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:21,700
for living molecules similar to the

1195
00:54:31,090 --> 00:54:27,010
extremophiles that inhabit the most

1196
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:31,100
inhospitable regions of the earth they

1197
00:54:37,720 --> 00:54:34,970
say comets may have helped to sow the

1198
00:54:41,710 --> 00:54:37,730
seeds of life on Earth and possibly

1199
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:41,720
other planets such as Mars early in the

1200
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:45,770
solar system's existence so I'm not

1201
00:54:52,270 --> 00:54:47,450
going to read this entire thing but you

1202
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:52,280
get the gist of it and Kate was so

1203
00:55:01,450 --> 00:54:55,010
wonderful as to have dr. Chandra

1204
00:55:03,910 --> 00:55:01,460
Wickramasinghe on her previously on

1205
00:55:06,099 --> 00:55:03,920
previous program and I had the privilege

1206
00:55:09,070 --> 00:55:06,109
of asking that gentleman a question and

1207
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:09,080
the callin and I wouldn't you like to

1208
00:55:17,500 --> 00:55:15,290
have him back on yeah I'm a big fan of

1209
00:55:19,900 --> 00:55:17,510
his you know what bothers me about him

1210
00:55:23,170 --> 00:55:19,910
is he's obviously a brilliant man he's a

1211
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:23,180
good scientist he does good research and

1212
00:55:29,790 --> 00:55:26,690
because he verges to some very slight

1213
00:55:33,250 --> 00:55:29,800
extent into what used to be considered

1214
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:33,260
paranormal feels like exobiology which

1215
00:55:38,079 --> 00:55:36,290
nASA has now christened as astrobiology

1216
00:55:40,780 --> 00:55:38,089
therefore making it acceptable

1217
00:55:46,180 --> 00:55:40,790
he was really discounted by other

1218
00:55:49,180 --> 00:55:46,190
scientists very unfairly I feel and this

1219
00:55:51,370 --> 00:55:49,190
sort of it's a warning to all young

1220
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:51,380
people that are just starting into

1221
00:55:55,599 --> 00:55:53,210
research they look at this fellow and

1222
00:55:58,630 --> 00:55:55,609
they go oh he's a Nobel Prize material

1223
00:56:00,760 --> 00:55:58,640
and and he just got scouted off to the

1224
00:56:02,589 --> 00:56:00,770
side because he got interested in

1225
00:56:03,609 --> 00:56:02,599
something that was unacceptable so they

1226
00:56:07,060 --> 00:56:03,619
stay away from it

1227
00:56:09,579 --> 00:56:07,070
and it's those frontier knowledge that

1228
00:56:11,740 --> 00:56:09,589
brings back the most interesting results

1229
00:56:13,900 --> 00:56:11,750
so it's a shame that it really gets

1230
00:56:16,060 --> 00:56:13,910
discounted like the guys with cold

1231
00:56:18,579 --> 00:56:16,070
fusion I mean they murdered them their

1232
00:56:20,589 --> 00:56:18,589
careers are totally destroyed that is

1233
00:56:22,540 --> 00:56:20,599
correct and now they're starting to say

1234
00:56:25,359 --> 00:56:22,550
oh yeah there is such a thing as cold

1235
00:56:28,180 --> 00:56:25,369
fusion you know but anyway but yes

1236
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:28,190
Chandra was fabulous he's a true

1237
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:29,570
gentleman as well as an excellent

1238
00:56:36,370 --> 00:56:32,450
scientist and he was mm-hmm the

1239
00:56:42,430 --> 00:56:36,380
associate of Fred said sir fred hoyle

1240
00:56:44,500 --> 00:56:42,440
the Royal astronomer the guy that but he

1241
00:56:47,500 --> 00:56:44,510
had to do with comets and comets bring

1242
00:56:50,980 --> 00:56:47,510
water and fur Mia yes well you know

1243
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:50,990
really weather once you get DNA once

1244
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:54,290
that molecule is made it'll find a home

1245
00:56:58,690 --> 00:56:56,690
anywhere and it will evolve into any

1246
00:57:00,940 --> 00:56:58,700
life-form that fits that environment

1247
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:00,950
right but you do somewhere along the

1248
00:57:07,630 --> 00:57:04,130
line and the gazillion galaxies are out

1249
00:57:11,020 --> 00:57:07,640
there all that had to do is one time

1250
00:57:12,820 --> 00:57:11,030
create that molecule and boom the rest

1251
00:57:14,730 --> 00:57:12,830
will be written history because it'll

1252
00:57:16,430 --> 00:57:14,740
spread it'll absolutely spread and

1253
00:57:20,550 --> 00:57:16,440
all the billions of planets out there

1254
00:57:24,410 --> 00:57:20,560
man and now some of our probes that are

1255
00:57:30,590 --> 00:57:24,420
up in space such as the space station

1256
00:57:33,540 --> 00:57:30,600
mm-hmm are said to have different

1257
00:57:36,180 --> 00:57:33,550
organic material on them that could not

1258
00:57:39,690 --> 00:57:36,190
have gotten there by bouncing off the

1259
00:57:44,130 --> 00:57:39,700
earth say it came from space sounds like

1260
00:57:45,780 --> 00:57:44,140
a horror movie right and you know like

1261
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:45,790
when I was in grade school I reach what

1262
00:57:49,859 --> 00:57:47,890
there are no planets outside the solar

1263
00:57:53,210 --> 00:57:49,869
system there are no other solar systems

1264
00:57:56,220 --> 00:57:53,220
well that was malarkey no I know it I

1265
00:57:59,120 --> 00:57:56,230
didn't believe yeah so finally they

1266
00:58:02,640 --> 00:57:59,130
found Pegasus was at 251 or whatever

1267
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:02,650
that man they did not destroy he had

1268
00:58:07,380 --> 00:58:04,930
concrete evidence that they could not

1269
00:58:08,940 --> 00:58:07,390
dispute it was sort of like Galileo when

1270
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:08,950
he looked through the telescope and said

1271
00:58:13,620 --> 00:58:11,530
Jupiter has four moons and the

1272
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:13,630
Inquisition said no it doesn't and he

1273
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:15,610
said yes it does any good no it doesn't

1274
00:58:18,780 --> 00:58:16,810
you know it looks through the telescope

1275
00:58:24,690 --> 00:58:18,790
there's four moons no there aren't

1276
00:58:27,300 --> 00:58:24,700
yes there are same nonsense

1277
00:58:31,050 --> 00:58:27,310
yeah Chandra was is an outstanding I'm

1278
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:31,060
sorry no no that's great so we're just

1279
00:58:39,270 --> 00:58:34,330
having this conversation and please like

1280
00:58:43,050 --> 00:58:39,280
us yeah on you know all the places we

1281
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:43,060
are Facebook my tanks we need like

1282
00:58:53,700 --> 00:58:47,170
Facebook iTunes and both of our websites

1283
00:58:56,490 --> 00:58:53,710
both shattered reality podcast calm and

1284
00:58:59,010 --> 00:58:56,500
shattered reality podcast dot

1285
00:59:01,830 --> 00:58:59,020
wordpress.com which is some years right

1286
00:59:05,900 --> 00:59:01,840
I'm getting her view of people like

1287
00:59:08,609 --> 00:59:05,910
liking us yeah Wow okay let's do it

1288
00:59:10,620 --> 00:59:08,619
well that's called remote influencing

1289
00:59:11,940 --> 00:59:10,630
and one of these guys that we get on I

1290
00:59:13,650 --> 00:59:11,950
don't know which one we could've brought

1291
00:59:17,070 --> 00:59:13,660
it up with mr. Smith he was certainly

1292
00:59:19,380 --> 00:59:17,080
very affable and friendly a person but

1293
00:59:21,810 --> 00:59:19,390
I've often thought about the the art of

1294
00:59:24,570 --> 00:59:21,820
remote influencing rather than remote

1295
00:59:27,510 --> 00:59:24,580
viewing and the possibilities therein so

1296
00:59:30,270 --> 00:59:27,520
I am remote influencing you now

1297
00:59:32,250 --> 00:59:30,280
okay so you want to wrap it up go ahead

1298
00:59:33,900 --> 00:59:32,260
Kate I'll be fine oh thank you so much

1299
00:59:35,460 --> 00:59:33,910
for listening it's always been our

1300
00:59:38,490 --> 00:59:35,470
pleasure I hope you've learned something

1301
00:59:39,090 --> 00:59:38,500
from it I certainly did and I'll see you